Release Date: April 22, 2025
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
Q: Can you provide more color on the TWIN federal government discussions and any risks involved? A: Mark Begor, CEO, explained that the current administration's focus on improper payments is a tailwind for Equifax. The government estimates $160 billion in improper payments annually, and TWIN is seen as a solution. Equifax is increasing its presence in Washington to engage with agency heads and sees opportunities in existing programs to enhance income authentication and redeterminations. The SSA contract amendment is a proof point of TWIN's value, and there is significant potential at the state level for further penetration.
Q: How did you come up with the estimate that recession-impacted businesses would be down only 3% to 5%? A: Mark Begor, CEO, stated that the estimate is based on historical performance during past economic events like '08-'09 and COVID. The company has increased its subscription-based revenue, which is less impacted by recessions. Additionally, more data is used in originations during economic events, which benefits Equifax. John Gamble, CFO, added that the estimate is directional and reflects a substantial reduction in growth compared to their long-term framework.
Q: Can you explain the free cash flow conversion in Q1 and expectations for the rest of the year? A: John Gamble, CFO, noted that Q1 free cash flow is typically lower due to variable compensation payouts from the prior year. The payments in Q1 2025 were larger than in 2024 due to a more challenging 2023. Normalizing for variable comp payments, free cash flow growth would be over 20% year-over-year. The company is on track to achieve its $900 million free cash flow target for the year.
Q: What level of visibility do you have for Q2 trends in mortgage and non-mortgage categories? A: Mark Begor, CEO, mentioned that they have good visibility into Q2 trends, except for mortgage rates, which are influenced by Washington's actions. Auto lending has been stronger, possibly due to pre-tariff buying. Overall, there has been no negative impact on other business lines, and the company is maintaining its guidance based on current trends.
Q: How is the TWIN indicator for mortgage being received, and what is the expected adoption timeline? A: Mark Begor, CEO, stated that the TWIN indicator has been in the market for about 60 days and has received positive feedback. It provides mortgage originators with additional confidence by indicating employment status and income history during the shopping process. The adoption timeline varies, but the company expects penetration to accelerate throughout the year and plans to introduce similar solutions in auto and personal loans.
For the complete transcript of the earnings call, please refer to the full earnings call transcript.
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